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Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
DaveLee 10-09-2008, 4:12 PM | Post #2574384 |  10 Replies
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I thought I'd ask this here as I'm sure that a bunch of folks know the answer - hopefully not from experience :-)

Several years ago I started down a road toward adding a number of individual stocks to my portfolio. It didn't take long for me to realize that doing this "right" was actually a lot of work that ultimately I found uninteresting (that part surprised me). So my "portfolio" of 4 stocks was sold over time as convenient (mostly at a profit) and is now down to a single stock.

This stock Chesapeake Corp which has finally been delisted from the NY Stock Exchange (now an OTC stock) and is currently trading at around a nickel. It isn't a bunch of money (100 shares bought somewhere in the high teens) but I might as well claim the loss (will have no other capital losses this year and gains will depend on mutual fund distributions - probably low or zero this year making this a good year to take the loss).

Is there a way to claim this loss without selling the stock? I guess I could donate it or something but I'd really be happy just to make it go away (transaction fees will exceed the gross sales price).

Thanks.

dave 

 

 

 

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Re: Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
retmd 10-09-2008, 4:29 PM | Post #2574397
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Dave,

Hopefully you will get other replies to your post.  You can call your broker and explain this situation to him/her. 

In most cases with experienced brokers, this situation has been presented before.  Usually their firm will offer to purchase the shares for something menial such as one cent per share.  I think that usual sales commissions apply. 

The advantage to you, as you stated in your post, is the tax loss write off.

Best of luck with this.  Glad to see you around.
 

 

Re: Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
DaveLee 10-11-2008, 12:35 PM | Post #2575677
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The path suggested by retmd is probably the path I'll take here. But there are a couple of gotcha's that folks should be aware of if they are in this situation.

1) From the perspective of the IRS a stock isn't worthless until it is basically unmarketable (not the case for me). From my view a stock that costs more to sell than its value is "worthless" - the IRS would not agree with me on this point and I have heard that arguing with them on such matters is not the best of ideas :-)

2) If you own a worthless stock (as defined by the IRS) you can claim the relevant loss. But this is actually a VERY BAD situation because you are required to claim the loss in the year that the stock became worthless. And demonstrating that no one will ever want to buy that stock can be really hard short of an event such as a bankruptcy/etc.

3) Another option that I could use is to acquire the paper shares and "sell them" to my kids, parents, somebody outside of your "taxable family". Then you could claim the loss and someone close to you could still capture any gains that might be forthcoming. Apparently this is doable but I don't really know the process that the IRS would require in this case. I've given shares to family members but never sold them.

FWIW.

dave

Re: Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
rebe945 10-11-2008, 1:17 PM | Post #2575691
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David I beleive the transaction fee is also claimed as a loss when tax loss selling. Rich
Re: Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
DaveLee 10-11-2008, 3:34 PM | Post #2575760
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rebe945:
David I beleive the transaction fee is also claimed as a loss when tax loss selling. Rich

Yes - it would seem that there is a way to lose more than your investment without  using margin or other forms of leverage :-)

dave

 

Re: Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
ElLobo 10-13-2008, 10:31 PM | Post #2577254
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Dave,

I there a cost of having your brokerage company actually issue you a stock certificate for those 100 shares?

If not, then have them do that, and send the certificate to me.  I'll gladey send you a self addressed stamped envelope.

Re: Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
JOEESTY 10-13-2008, 10:39 PM | Post #2577261
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IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE AS AN ACOUNTANT FOR 45 YEARS THAT IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH WORTHLESSNESS TO I.R.S. YOU WOULD NEED A LETTER FROM YOUR STOCKBROKER OR WHAT I FOUND TO BE BETTER HAVE THE STOCKBROKER BUY THE STOCK FROM YOU FOR 1 CENT.THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT SPECIALIZE IN PURCHASING WORTHLESS SECURITIES IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A VALUE FOR TAX PURPOSES.
Re: Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
Aalan88 10-13-2008, 11:59 PM | Post #2577288
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At Schwab, you can donate stock to a charitable trust, and they charge no transaction fee. Then the entire amount can be deducted accordingly. However, there is a $1000 minimum per transaction.
Re: Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
Aalan88 10-14-2008, 12:00 AM | Post #2577289
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At Schwab, you can donate stock to a charitable trust, and they charge no transaction fee. Then the entire value can be deducted accordingly. However, there is a $1000 minimum per transaction.
Re: Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
Myinvestor 10-14-2008, 6:17 AM | Post #2577312
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Do you have an E-TRADE brokerage account, If so the broker would typically buy your worthless securities for some nominal $0.01.

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Re: Getting Rid of Worthless Shares
DaveLee 10-14-2008, 8:43 AM | Post #2577365
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Thanks for the additional comments. My broker will take these for a nominal transaction fee so I'll probably take that path (sorry Chuck).

OTOH, I almost doubled my money Monday when they ended trading up 80% at $0.09 :-)

dave 

 

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