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My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund/ETF:
TaylorZR 09-09-2008, 9:56 AM | Post #2559709 |  15 Replies
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Vanguard Tax Advantaged Balanced Income

A 60/40 low cost / no load / unleveraged / tax advantaged balanced income fund (for taxable accounts) that combines 60-65% High Yield Dividend Stocks (VYM/Vhdyx) with 35-40% Municipal Bonds(vwitx).

The objective would be long term growth of income,with capital appreciation a second objective.

I believe a tremendous need exists for a product like this for volatility adverse, taxable account retirees who would like to participate in a more muted (less volatile) form of the benefits of long term dividend income growth in retirement, and need a no load option that is 'tax advantaged'!

Some might say it would be just as easy to own two funds but in reality many investors want that volatility hidden away!

A one fund option like this would be a big winner for Vanguard, and they might even be able to do it as a 'fund of funds' (Vhdyx/Vwitx), with an Admiral Share Class available.......

Taylor

 

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Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund:
tar42 09-09-2008, 9:59 AM | Post #2559711
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Taylor, one would think that VG would come up with something much like you describe, rather than some of their other new funds they tout.

Tim

Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund:
pining4Lenore 09-09-2008, 10:02 AM | Post #2559713
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Seconded.

I would add (expect you would concur) the stocks should be globally diversified. Perhaps 50%  U.S+Canada,   40% EFA, 10% emerging...?

p.s. - One could assemble a reasonable facsimile with VYM+PID (and DEM, if emerging is a priority)  on the equity side (the first two are quarterly payers), and MUB for the munis... 

 

Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund:
TaylorZR 09-09-2008, 10:05 AM | Post #2559716
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I agree, and this would be a real winner.. 

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Eventually I see V coming up with an International High Dividend Index to compliment Vhdyx/ Vym. That would make another important component available to a 'Tax Advantaged Balanced Income Fund'. 

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The 'managed payout funds' are not for taxable accounts.

This new fund would be geared to late boomer's/retiree's taxable investments they wish to convert to a growing income stream without having to sell off shares of the funds themselves.

With Managed Payout Funds, V is looking to get 401K rollovers......

With a 60/40 (bonds) Tax Advantaged Balanced Income Fund, they can go after inheritances!  

t

 

 

 

Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund:
snray 09-09-2008, 10:08 AM | Post #2559719
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Taylor: I agree this is an interesting idea for a fund. Question: Does ANY fund family offer such a fund? Sam
Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund:
TaylorZR 09-09-2008, 10:15 AM | Post #2559722
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Federated offers Fmuax, but it doesn't have enough stocks to grow an income stream.

Dreyfus offers a muni stock balanced fund that also is not desigend to nor has grown an income stream, nor is particularly efficient in terms of CGs

Claymore offers TYW, a leveraged muni /stock CEF I wouldn't touch..

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There IS nothing like this new potential Vanguard Fund from anyone, and the need for a product like this is great! This new fund would also be completely different than Tax Managed Balanced or Price Tax Managed Balanced which hold low yielding stocks.

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This would grow an income stream!

t

Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund:
hurleyhuckster 09-09-2008, 10:41 AM | Post #2559730
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TaylorZR:

Some might say it would be just as easy to own two funds but in reality many investors want that volatility hidden away!

A gem of a statement, t.  Yes, we all know the portfolio needs to be looked at as a whole, but that may be easier said than done for many.

So t, what are you calling the fund and where should folks send their investment? LOL!

Great idea!

Brian

Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund:
TaylorZR 09-09-2008, 10:59 AM | Post #2559734
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Anyone who thinks this is a good idea should take a minute to pick up the phone, and call Vanguard.

t

Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund/ETF:
grabiner 09-09-2008, 7:46 PM | Post #2559948
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TaylorZR:

Vanguard Tax Advantaged Balanced Income

A 60/40 low cost / no load / unleveraged / tax advantaged balanced income fund (for taxable accounts) that combines 60-65% High Yield Dividend Stocks (VYM/Vhdyx) with 35-40% Municipal Bonds(vwitx).

The objective would be long term growth of income,with capital appreciation a second objective.

This may not work under the current tax laws; the fund may not be able to avoid taxes on municipal-bond interest if less than half of its holdings are in municipal bonds.  I couldn't find the rule on Vanguard's web site, but I believe that this is Vanguard's explanation for the 51% bond holding of Tax-Managed Balanced Fund (rather than the 35% which is more common for balanced funds).

Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund/ETF:
chinwhisker 09-09-2008, 9:06 PM | Post #2559978
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Vanguard's balanced annuity holds 60-70% in dividend paying stocks and uses LT corporates in bonds.

The ER is 0.76%, but you would lose this much difference in return with munis over what you might expect to pay for a Vanguard fund that offers this; https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/snapshot?FundId=1259&FundIntExt=INT

Chin

Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund/ETF:
TaylorZR 09-10-2008, 6:37 AM | Post #2560040
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Thanks for the info .........

Taylor

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Re: My Wish List For A New Vanguard Fund:
al2000 09-10-2008, 8:35 AM | Post #2560080
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Taylor- I appreciate you updating us- I am taking a look at my portfolio and this options may help my asset allocation- take care