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LarryDR 08-11-2008, 2:53 PM | Post #2549647 |  4 Replies
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I am a new subscriber to the DividendInvestor newsletter and wonder if anyone has suggestions for getting started with this type of investing.

 

There are currently 19 different stocks in the Builder portfolio. Should I try to mimic the portfolio or pick and choose a few to start with? What criteria should be used to pick and choose? How many stocks do I really need in a well balanced, well diversified portfolio?

 

Should I purchase equal shares of each stock, or equal dollar amounts of each stock?

 

Should the portfolio be re-balanced periodically, i.e. once a year?

 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Re: Getting Started
JWR1945a 08-11-2008, 4:18 PM | Post #2549679
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There are currently 19 different stocks in the Builder portfolio. Should I try to mimic the portfolio or pick and choose a few to start with? What criteria should be used to pick and choose? How many stocks do I really need in a well balanced, well diversified portfolio?

I recommend that you specify a minimum initial dividend yield of 3.5% or 4.0%.

As for diversification, think in terms of dollars that you might see evaporate. You cannot protect widespread bad accounting or widespread fraud. Otherwise, diversification is largely a matter of personal preference. Fewer stocks means more time to investigate each. More stocks means greater downside protection.

Should I purchase equal shares of each stock, or equal dollar amounts of each stock?

I would recommend equal dollar amounts. This gives you the diversification that you are after. Price weighting would not.

Should the portfolio be re-balanced periodically, i.e. once a year?

NO! This turns out to be a bad idea UNLESS you have no way to discern the relative attractiveness of your investments. Re-balancing usually drags down returns and often increases expenses.

Have fun.

John Walter Russell

Re: Getting Started
Sirschnitz 08-11-2008, 7:14 PM | Post #2549736
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Larry, "getting started" implies "beginning".  A "beginning" has to start with your particular circumstances and your goals.  Since you didn't include the "beginning" information, I'm going to make some assumptions.

Assumption 1.
You are working and in the accumulation phase of investing.  

Assumption 2. 
You already have some money saved and it is liquid and/or in Mutual Funds.

If you read Josh Peters (August issue, Dividend Investor Newsletter), you will see that only 14 stocks are recommended to buy at this time and 5 to hold.  Also, when you read back issues you will see that Peters has strong reservations about BAC (he sold over half his original position in late April).  That leaves 13 Builder candidates for purchase. 

Peters has indicated that he favors holding more stocks in smaller quantities rather than concentrated positions in just a few stocks.  Also, look at the dollar amount for each holding in the Builder portfolio.  Every stock offers a risk/reward possibility at purchase, and even though determining this ratio is imprecise, it is generally a good idea to purchase larger positions when the balance is more favorable and smaller positions when the risk/reward balance is more uncertain. 

IMO, if you have sufficient funds available to buy a position in all 13 stocks there is nothing wrong with doing that.  However, if you are accumulating, it may not be financially feasible to buy them all at once in sufficient quantity.  Even with low brokerage costs of $5 to $10 per transaction, it is cost prohibitive to buy just a few shares of each stock each month.  You can make a list of a select few of the Builder stocks, each in a different industry for diversification purposes, and then save your money in a Money Market until you have accumulated enough to invest (enough so that the transaction cost is a low percentage of the transaction), and then make your purchase. 

Investigate if the stocks you are interested in have a DRIP purchase plan.  Drip plans may allow you to accumulate in smaller quantities at reasonable transaction costs.

If you are just starting Dividend investing, read Josh Peters new book, "The Ultimate Dividend Playbook".   Also, read "The Single Best Investment" by Miller.  Read them both before investing!

"Should I purchase equal shares of each stock, or equal dollar amounts of each stock?"

IMO, neither.  Size your investments by risk/reward considerations. 

"Should the portfolio be re-balanced periodically, i.e. once a year?"

I assume you mean re-balance between stocks and bonds.  If you feel the need to maintain some sort of balance between stocks and bonds in your portfolio, do it by redirecting new money, not by selling the appreciated asset.  IMO, the primary reasons for selling a stock is if the stock cuts its dividend or if it appreciates so much that its yield falls below your standards or becomes grossly overpriced.  Stock trading decisions are heavily influenced by whether your portfolio is held in a taxable or tax deferred account. 

Regards,
Russ
 

Re: Getting Started
Scott43 08-11-2008, 9:20 PM | Post #2549765
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There are currently 19 different stocks in the Builder portfolio. Should I try to mimic the portfolio or pick and choose a few to start with? What criteria should be used to pick and choose? How many stocks do I really need in a well balanced, well diversified portfolio?

 Whatever you do, do it gradually and in moderation.  You should take the time to educate yourself on the market and individual stocks of interest and only buy one when you feel knowledgable and (somewhat) confident.  These stocks (along with most other stocks) have fallen considerably in the last year.  They might keep falling.  You need enough seasoning and confidence in your stocks to hold on when bears like this happen.

 You should not consider liquidating whatever you are holding now and throwing it into a newsletter portfolio all in one lump.  I very much like the DividendInvestor newsletter, but use it as a source of ideas, not a blueprint.  If I'm going to make mistakes I want them to be mine, not some broker's and not Josh Peters'.  That's the way to learn.

The criteria you should use to pick and choose is a very personal thing - depending on your goals and how far in the future those goals are.  It's all about attempting to balance risk and growth.  And frankly, Josh Peter's goals are not going to be the same as yours.

If you look at the holdings of most mutual funds you will find they limit their largest holdings to only a few percent of the total portfolio.  That's a hint on how many stocks you need to assure a well-diversified portfolio.  Personally, I don't think 19 is enough. That's one reason to start with mutual funds and then gradually, as you increase your portfolio, sprinkle in some well-selected individual stocks.

Re: Getting Started
InvestorDiv 08-21-2008, 2:52 PM | Post #2552767
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I agree with the people above that you need to start slow. I only disagree about brokerage costs. I would open an account at Zecco with $2500 and get 10 free trades/month. The next step is purchasing $100/ month in each of the 12 stocks for 2 months.

 The only thing that i don't like w/ Zecco is that they don't offer partial share investment and automatic dividend reinvestment in partial shares.

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