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403B Investment Alternatives
wahoo829 07-06-2008, 4:28 PM | Post #2536113 |  5 Replies
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My wife's employer has a 403b plan for employee contributions. There are no employer contributions to the plan. The agent for the 403b plan only works with MetLife investments. It appears her only choice is to make contributions to a variable annuity through the 403b. A variable annuity does not make seem to make sense in a 403b plan. Can't an employer permit employees to make contributions to mutual funds in the 403b plan? Why wouldn't her employer offer mutual funds as an alternative?

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Re: 403B Investment Alternatives
orygunduck 07-07-2008, 10:10 AM | Post #2536302
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Typically, school districts (I assume this is your wife's employer) don't have the wherewithall to hire independent third party administrators, nor do they know very much about asset allocations, how to determine all plan expenses or comply with reporting and contribution requirements. The insurance industry has 'risen' to fill this need, by providing the educational districts with compliant plans, do the mandatory annual reports, make distributions, etc, etc., and typically fund this through a bevy of fees and expenses to the employees, not the employer. One lucrative method of expensing employees is through the use of deferred annuities, with the associated subaccount fees and M&E charges, which together may run 200 - 300 basis points. And then the Mutual Funds offered are often of the expensive proprietary variety, further increasing fees.

Most 403(b) plans are funded only with employee salary deferrals, and so don't have an employer match. So if the school district offers the arrangement as I've described, your wife may be better served to forego 403(b) contributions, and simply make deductible TIRA contributions and then after tax contributions to a mutual fund or brokerage account, using no-load index funds, exchange traded funds or easiest of all, a target retirement fund. Do your own calculations, but I'd reason that what she saves in fees and expenses over her remaining working years will more than offset the current tax advantages of making pretax contributions and tax deferred growth in a 403(b) plan as you've described.

BruceM

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Re: 403B Investment Alternatives
wahoo829 07-07-2008, 7:34 PM | Post #2536584
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Bruce, Thank you for your response. It gives me a lot to think about. Please excuse my ignorance, but what is a TIRA?

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Re: 403B Investment Alternatives
orygunduck 07-08-2008, 10:17 AM | Post #2536786
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TIRA = Traditional IRA

RIRA = Roth IRA

BruceM

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Racqueteer 07-08-2008, 10:58 AM | Post #2536810
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If your wife is a school teacher, there are some other issues to consider as well.  One is whether or not she will be in a higher tax bracket after retirement than she was before.  This can happen depending on the size of the 403b contributions, any pension she may be eligible for, and eventual social security income.  It can become more complicated yet if her pension reduces her social security payments, or if state taxes are waived on the pension income.  The reason for raising these issues is that there may be a case for using a ROTH rather than a traditional IRA.  Or it may later become an issue when partial ROTH conversions from a traditional IRA would be beneficial.

I apologize if I'm making this more complex than it needs to be, but teachers in particular often have unusual considerations relative to many other professions.  You may have guessed that I'm a retired teacher...

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Re: 403B Investment Alternatives
El Toro II 07-11-2008, 9:36 PM | Post #2538181
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There will be big mandatory changes coming to the 403b arena beginning 1/1/09 as per


http://www.403bwise.com/employers/getwise_regulations.html 

 

Best wishes for safe & prosperous times! 

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