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Example of Commodity Speculation
KoalaBear33 04-28-2008, 8:55 PM | Post #2512711 |  4 Replies
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Commodity bulls keep denying it but a sizeable chunk of commodity price appreciation is due to speculation. Here is a Bloomberg article that talks about how commodity index funds control an amount equal to half of all the corn, soybeans and wheat in US silos:

Commodity-index funds control a record 4.51 billion bushels of corn, wheat and soybeans through Chicago Board of Trade futures, equal to half the amount held in U.S. silos on March 1. The holdings jumped 29 percent in the past year as investors bought grain contracts seeking better returns than stocks or bonds. The buying sent crop prices and volatility to records and boosted the cost for growers and processors to manage risk.
 

 

 Similar index fund hoarding is present in gold, uranium, and oil, although oil isn't as influenced by the funds due to its large market.

 The real question is whether the hoarding by the commodity funds is a foward-looking rational move or not. That is, would prices have risen anyway and hence the funds are simply capitalizing on the inevitable price increase; or are the funds contributing to the price ascent? Since I believe we are in a commodities bubble, we really won't know the answer until well after the fact.

If the FedRes stops cutting rates (hence stabilizing or possibly strengthening the dollar) things may get interesting on the commodities front...

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Re: Example of Commodity Speculation
KCallie 04-28-2008, 11:41 PM | Post #2512759
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KoalaBear33:

The real question is whether the hoarding by the commodity funds is a foward-looking rational move or not. That is, would prices have risen anyway and hence the funds are simply capitalizing on the inevitable price increase; or are the funds contributing to the price ascent?

Price would have risen some if for no other reason than a weaker dollar leading to higher oil prices.  But speculation is certainly driving some of the demand. 

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Re: Example of Commodity Speculation
oneslip 04-29-2008, 8:36 AM | Post #2512817
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I agree, a strengthening dollar will probably have a lowering effect on commodity prices, especially gold & oil. I personally do not completely buy the fundemental story of global demand, don't get me wrong there is an increase in global demand but not to the degree that the prices are at. This is definitely a speculation bubble, do commodity prices warrant a higher premium, yes but not to the degree that we are at. I find it funny how the price per barrel of oil can triple in value in such a short time frame due to the supply/demand story which is overblown, the lowering dollar and OPEC's desire for higher profit margins has created this. China, India didn't just in the last 3 years decide to grow this has been an evolving process that has been taking shape for many years. Just my 2 cents. I appreciate the discussion on this topic.

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Re: Example of Commodity Speculation
KCallie 04-29-2008, 9:24 AM | Post #2512837
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oneslip:

I agree, a strengthening dollar will probably have a lowering effect on commodity prices, especially gold & oil.

Especially gold.  No way is the increase in gold prices over the last 6 months due to a demand increase, not even a bit.  That is pure speculation and all based on the weak dollar.

oneslip:

I personally do not completely buy the fundemental story of global demand, don't get me wrong there is an increase in global demand but not to the degree that the prices are at.

I agree and the increase in demand is about to decrease as asia feels the effects of the US recession.

oneslip:
 

This is definitely a speculation bubble, do commodity prices warrant a higher premium, yes but not to the degree that we are at. I find it funny how the price per barrel of oil can triple in value in such a short time frame due to the supply/demand story which is overblown, the lowering dollar and OPEC's desire for higher profit margins has created this. China, India didn't just in the last 3 years decide to grow this has been an evolving process that has been taking shape for many years. Just my 2 cents. I appreciate the discussion on this topic.

yes, the commodities bubble will burst as soon as everyone becomes convinced the Fed is about to raise rates.  Even sooner if the Fed doesn't lower rates at its next meeting tomorrow.

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Rice
pink panther 04-30-2008, 12:09 PM | Post #2513237
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Hoarding is a form of speculating I think.    Some restaurant operators have accelerated their buying of rice,  or hoarding,  in anticipation of higher prices down the road.

The only difference is that the speculators act on the futures markets and the restaurant operator does it at Costco Wholesale or whoever would sell them the quantities they want. 

Both actions have an effect on the market price,  but not easy to quantify. 

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