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Good hand gun and shotgun?
skillet 04-27-2008, 8:46 AM | Post #2512104 |  29 Replies
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What's a good hand gun and shotgun for the homeowner for personal and property protection? Thanks.
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Re: Good hand gun and shotgun?
PMoss 04-27-2008, 9:12 AM | Post #2512114
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In part that depends on your experience with firearms in general.

The shotgun has an advantage in that you do not have to gain absolute accuracy to disable an attacker. I'm assuming you are talking about protection inside your home here. Number 2, do to the nature of the shotshell a wild shot is not likely to leave your house and injure a neighbor. My suggestion is that you do some local research and find courses tailored to your needs.

Two things that are absolutely necesary before you decide to own a firearm for protection: No firearm is of any value if you are not going to practice using it. You must become competent with whatever you own. Second, while you should research all the potential ramifications of using firearms for protection the last thing you want to do is shoot somebody UNLESS your life or the life of a loved one is threatened. It makes no sense to kill or maim someone over stealing a TV set. In most states unless your life is in jepardy you will end up in jail if you shoot someone.

 If your state allows it's citizens to carry firearms concealed (35 do now) I recomend you take the class to qualify for this even if you do not want the license. The classes cover important legal issues related to using firearms for protection. Every state and many localities are different so don't go by what other people say, Do your own research locally. 

Just my 2 cents .....

pm

 

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Re: Good hand gun and shotgun?
bokobobb 04-27-2008, 9:16 AM | Post #2512118
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the main thing:.

Make sure a failsafe lockabe trigger guard is available for it.

Regards,

 

Bob

Re: Good hand gun and shotgun?
johio 04-27-2008, 9:43 AM | Post #2512130
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Handgun:   K-Frame Smith & Wesson in 38 special or 357 magnum ... barrel length could be 2.5-inch, 4-inch or 6-inch .... lean toward the 4 or 6 inch.  The Model 15 or Model 19. 

Shotgun:   Not sure it is a good choice and the idea that it is a "scatter" gun is not really true at close quarters.  Still for some it could be a good choice and I would suggest the Remington 1100 auto.  

Safety:  You can buy a steel locker and put a lock on it and you can buy trigger locks.

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Re: Good hand gun and shotgun?
sensei 04-27-2008, 1:18 PM | Post #2512208
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skillet,

Have you ever considered owning a big dog instead? When I married my wife, I knew she had a terrible temper and for my own self-protection, I felt buying a dog was a safer choice.:)

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Re: Good hand gun and shotgun?
bigsteve 04-27-2008, 2:05 PM | Post #2512222
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I'm not sure you need both.  In the scenario I think you're describing, a handgun has some limitations mainly due to the aiming accuracy you need to maintain to inflict serious injury or death.
I know someone will respond with "Well, if the intruder just sees a handgun, or hears it go off, that will be enough . You don't necessarily need to hit him.  He'll be taking off."
I am from the politically incorrect camp that says you don't want to take chances when protecting property, or especially family.  Any intruder/criminal needs to be neutralized.
In the dark, or in a situation where your adrenaline is going and hands may not be steady, you may not get the aim you need with a handgun.
I recommend a shotgun.. Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 will do.  And you don't need or want the normal, longer barrels (i.e. 28").  For maneuverability and "close quarters" action, you want an 18 or 20" barrel.

 Regards - Big Steve

Re: Good hand gun and shotgun?
dimes2 04-27-2008, 3:21 PM | Post #2512252
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         I'm with sensei........don't get a really good one, get one that misses target 9 times out of 10, because in the most likely scenarios ,your gun ,will be aimed at you, or some one you actually care about.Hopefully ,common sense will prevail and you will take senseis' advice.The" wild west" mentality is sooo old!
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Re: Good hand gun and shotgun?
URAOKSW 04-27-2008, 3:27 PM | Post #2512255
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Handgun    -   Glock Model 22 in 40 Caliber

Shotgun     -   Reminton Model 870 12ga with 18 - 20 inch barrel

Most encounters happen in low-light/night situations. You need to make sure you’re not shooting a family member. To avoid this, a light is necessary. I prefer a light mounted on the weapon. If you are awakened in the middle of the night you will not have to search for both the gun and the light. A weapon with a light mounted on it avoids this and insures that you will be better able to identify your target.

If you live in an apartment load the shotgun with birdshot to limit the penetration. If you miss your target you don’t want endanger your neighbor.

Remember, guns, just like cars don’t kill people, people kill people.

Cars and guns both require responsible ownership.

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Re: Good hand gun and shotgun?
jayars35 04-27-2008, 4:54 PM | Post #2512286
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For home defense, I would strongly suggest a handgun.  Something on the order of a medium frame revolver with a 4" barrel.  S&W, Taurus, Rossi, Ruger are all good quality.  Rossi and Taurus are at the lower end of the price range.  Shotguns are impressive looking but not so good for home defense.  Try this, take a broom, hold it to your shoulder and move through your house pointing it at every door, window and down each hallway.  In most houses, this will be quite cumbersome and leave you in an exposed position.

 Also, the "Aim in the general direction and a shotgun will hit the target." is wrong.  At 25 feet, the pattern on most shotguns is just 3 to 6 inches in diameter.  I know as I have fired test patterns on many shotguns with various amounts of choke and various loads.

 The noise and muzzle from a .357 indoors in the dark is blinding and incredibly loud.  A .38 special loaded with +P ammunition is noticibly better, but still loud and bright.

 Glaser and Cor Bon both make handgun loads designed to prevent over penetration.

 http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/glaser/glaser.htm

Also, for several years it was popular for some in the media and Brady types to bring up a "statistic" that people with a gun in the home were 43 times more likely to be shot than someone without a gun in the home.  That "study" was done by a Dr. Kellerman at Emery University and was shown to be wrong as Kellerman was data mining. 

A big dog is fine unless the intruder isn't afraid of dogs and/or has a gun.  If Mr. badguy shoots your dog, what do you do next?

 A trigger lock is really not necessary.  If you want to make your gun inoperable, just take it apart.  If it is a revolver, put a pad lock through the top strap.  There was a gun lock that worked similiar to a thick rubber band that could be removed by an adult in a second or two.  If those are still available, they might be worth a look.  My wife and I have each used a handgun for self defense, one incident each.  I would not have had time to remove one of those key ooperated trigger locks before the bad guy could have done his harm.  My wife might have had time, assuming the key was right there by the handgun when she needed it.

If you do get a gun, practice, practice and practice.  Practice in good light, bad light, with either hand, sitting, standing, kneeling.  Run a 50 yard sprint or do 20 jumping jacks then shoot.  The sprint gets your heart racing and simulates the adrenaline rush you have to deal with when using a gun for protection. 

Best wishes.

JA

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Re: Good hand gun and shotgun?
Governor 04-27-2008, 5:12 PM | Post #2512292
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Get a dog and a gun.  Cant have too much protection.  ALthough i dont like dogs.  Too much dog hair, slobber and mess.  Go with the shotgun. 

For a pistol, I like the Sig P226 .357. 

Re: Good hand gun and shotgun?
hurleyhuckster 04-27-2008, 7:40 PM | Post #2512334
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Yes you do need both guns.

By the time you determine beyond a reasonable doubt that your life is in danger, it could very well be too late for you.

So blow the scumbag away with your pistol grip Mossberg for waking you up in the middle of the night.  If he is still breathing, pump some more shot into him.  Do this until all life has ceased!  THEN, take your handgun and put it in the culprits hand, so you dont dont have to go to jail because of HIS rights!

Wild, Wild West.....yee haw! 

Thanks, but I would rather count on my firearms then the gov't to protect me any day of the week.  Its a jungle out there.

Good Luck

Brian