is the media?  They view themselves as the "great investigators".  When they tried to use fraudulent info regarding Bush's military record, the Dems and the media gushed with pride on their ability to uncover the "truth".

 Seems that they are only interested in the "truth" with regard to non leftist.

So we will have an interesting debate about constitution while suffering another defeat at the ballot box because we do not deal with issues people are interested in?

Count me out

Milan

or no go at all?   That makes for good politics.

One minute you want to debate the issue and the next you step aside Milan.....  if you allow the Dems and the Media to set all of the agenda's, you have already lost and you were counted out a long time ago.

 Make her come forward and defend her plan as it applies to the Constitution.  And please do not forget, this is a pre elections "suggestion" not a firm plan.  If she gets elected she changes it to total Socialism Health Care for ALL.

Still, I'll count you out.

Hillary's plan unconstitutional?  Yea, that's technically correct correct, but meaningless from a practical standpoint (so is Social Security).  That horse left the barn door long ago.

There are many flaws in Hillary's plan (though it is far better than her first effort.) 

If the Republican candidate can put out a credible free market alternative, that would be good - we should be arguing in favor of that.  Should Hillary get elected, we need to work with her to work out a compromise that will avoid the worst parts of her plan. 

The most important thing is to change the tax deductibility of individual purchased insurance to put it on a level playing field with employer based insurance, AND to keep HSA's in place.  The latter are already rapidly expanding, and beginning to gain a constituance among some Democrat voters as well a Republican.  Once these are well enough established, a further move towards nationalized single-payer health care will be difficult if not impossible.

 OTOH, if we approach Hillary's plan with the attitude of "just say no" - no discussion, no proposaing of the alternatives, no nothing - than we are likely both to get a Hillary victory and get her plan, with all the negatives, rammed right down our throats.

MWL

I own a private practice and last thing I would support(for many other reasons) is socialized healthcare.

But the problem is that GOP (and this administration especially) didn't offer viable alternative.WE vacated this issue and(in my opinion) are going to suffer consequencies next year.

GWB promised us tort reform but completely abandoned this issue.We had two tort reform bills(at the time when GOP had majority in both senate and congress) which went nowhere.We even have one GOP candidate (Rep.Ron Paul) for president who voted twice against it.

So all that talk how much we hate Hilary's plan is not going to get things done...We need to offer a realistic alternative.And at this point none of GOP candidates did.....

And if our only plan is to hide behind the Constitution.....then we deserve to have our rear ends kicked!Maybe then we get some people in Washington that represent people who put them there.....

Milan

Excellent points by MWL. Enhance the plan to include some free-market ideas. Like:

1. Special insurance premium for premium health service - pay more to get best quality, more choice, no restrictions....like Britains have to do now

2. Incentivise HSAs (health savings accounts) for those who can afford more protection, greater bennies

3. Reserve your heart transplant... :-) for more $$

Tim

something else does not make it so.

IE:

"New" democrat

"Progressive"

you can not have/afford, and it does not matter who is paying

cause there is not enough money to do it,

people making $10.00 dollars being charged $90.00 dollars

for a 5 min office visit at the doctor.

Someone somewhere is gona get a haircut

and my crystal ball says it is the doctor. 

It is like I keep telling my wife "Just because you live like a

million arie does not make you one".

Thanks Milan - good points

For buck19 -

Tim, I was going to thank you too;  but then, upon rereading your post, and thinking about it for a few minutes, my often-slow brain kicked into second geat, and now I actually think I may have detected a note of scarcasm in your post, perhaps?  Heaven forfend! :-)

I guess you would prefer to avoid anything that could be construed as two (or multi) tiered healthcare - even if the alternative is rationing for everyone.  (Even the French have apparently learned their lesson on that.)

Hillary's plan is already raising some ire on the left, among those who claim that it is not ENOUGH!  Tim, I suspect you might be among those in that category.

MWL

MWL - no sarcasm really. I sometimes add a joke at the end. I really do think that adding some market-driven aspects will improve HC's plan.

Tim

it is Socialism knocking on the door.

 I give, just let it in.  The next generation will have to worry about it.  We will have people flying to asia for quality health care, before it is all over.  The wealthy will continue to get their quality health care.  The Socialist in their attempt to redisitribute wealth will have to convince Ted Kennedy to give them his family fortune with is sheltered from taxes in off shore accounts. 

Only the middle clas