High oil price, Bush's fault
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05-09-2008, 10:22 AM | Post #2516123 |  18 Replies
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Re: High oil price, Bush's fault
05-09-2008, 3:12 PM | Post #2516256
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Why not?  Everything else is ;-)

MWL

Re: High oil price, Bush's fault
05-09-2008, 5:24 PM | Post #2516295
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What has he done to prevent this high oil price?
Answer for Thoughtful Roberts:
05-09-2008, 7:04 PM | Post #2516309
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1.  Bush has not taken control of the Iraqi oil fields.

2.  Bush has not invaded and taken over the Saudi oil fields.

3.  Bush has not invaded and taken over the Iranian oil fields.

4.  Bush has not started drilling for oil in new USA areas such as ANWAR

5.  Bush has not invaded China and stopped their demand for oil.

6.  Bush has not built any new nuclear plants.

Yep,  its all Bush's fault.

//mjs

Re: Answer for Thoughtful Roberts:
05-09-2008, 7:06 PM | Post #2516311
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Continuing:

7.  Bush has not suspended environmetal regulations which require refineries to produce over 20 different blends of gasoline.

8.  Bush has not suspended environmental regulations which require ues of additives that reduce fuel economy.

Yep,  still Bush's fault.

 

Re: Answer for Thoughtful Roberts:
05-10-2008, 7:47 AM | Post #2516389
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Bush has not stopped to buy more oil to increase the strategic reserves, he stick with his plan to full all the storage capacity.

He never asked to use natural gas.

He never tried to pass any law that would reduce fuel consumption.

He never ask to the factories to produce cars that really  spend  less fuel. 

Re: High oil price, Bush's fault NOPE
05-10-2008, 8:07 AM | Post #2516395
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Every day in China 2,000 NEW CARS hit the streets.  Every day.  Every 7 to 14 days or so a new coal power plant goes on line in china.  Skyscrapers are being built in china by the hundreds every year.  The growth in china is like the world has NEVER SEEN.  The energy demands of the world are growing and will continue to grow. The days of blaming the US for all the worlds ills are nearly over.  China is set to pass the US in carbon emissions.  For every thing you can do to save energy....it's absolutely SWAMPED by the increased carbon emissions in the rest of the world.

And you think Bush needs to tax oil to save us?  To punish oil companies or drain our reserves and increasing global demand will evaporate?  Well, it's hard to know if you think at all because you haven't said anything.

The end is inevitable.  The far left which drives the US agenda these days will have to allow the US to use more CARBON FREE nuclear power.  And then we will use that carbon free power to CHARGE our cars.

 In the end, cars will be charged.  Drive home, plug them in, it's ready in the morning.  Plug it in at work, ready to go home at night.  And in the end, the hard core, hateful, radicalized, brain-dead left will finally relent and allow the US to put in the nuclear power plants to save the planet and give us clean energy with which to charge our cars and heat and cool our homes.




 

Re: Answer for Thoughtful Roberts:
05-10-2008, 8:08 AM | Post #2516396
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Bush did pass a bill to increase fuel mileage.  You are ill informed, obviously.
Re: Answer for Thoughtful Roberts:
05-10-2008, 10:26 AM | Post #2516451
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Stephen, I thought it was the Congress. But that bill is too weak and the term is too long.
Re: Answer for Thoughtful Roberts:
05-10-2008, 11:12 AM | Post #2516463
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Robertts-

Adding oil to the strategic petroleum reserve will not make one bit of difference to the price of oil.  At maximum, they can put in 20,000 barrels of oil per day.  That is a drop in the bucket. 

Stephenl is correct.  The price of oil is being increased by speculators for two reasons- the growth of China (and a lesser extent, India) as well as the depreciating dollar. 

There is not much the US can do about the growth of China.  Even slowing the importation of their goods, which is already happening, will not do much since they have a burgeoning middle class of 300 million. 

What will bring the price of oil back up will be when the domestic economy begins growing at its long term rate again (roughly 3%) towards the end of the year.  This will allow the Fed to begin raising interest rates creating a inflow of capital.  That, combined with the lagged slowing of the European economies (yes, they CAN grow slower!) will bouy the dollar back up and the price of oil down.  The fundamental price of a barrel of oil is in the $75-$90 range so i would expect to see us test the $100 mark again by sometime later this year. 

Re: Answer for Thoughtful Roberts:
05-10-2008, 2:04 PM | Post #2516508
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Roberts, this may be news to you, the president gets to sign or veto.
Re: Answer for Thoughtful Roberts:
05-10-2008, 2:14 PM | Post #2516512
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Roberts, what may also be news to you, is that the democratic congress passed was a DEATH BILL. Get that?  It was stupid, it was ignorant, it was bad for the environment, and it's KILLING PEOPLE to boot!   And you all took a big bow for "doing something". Yeah, doing something STUPID>

 

It' push's for more FOOD TO FUEL.  Massive increases in ethanol form sugar cane and corn.  People are dying around the world because the US is putting their food into our gas tanks.  Carbon sinks are being powed under to grow crops for ethanol. The enviornment is suffering.  The democrats really blew it badly.  And many of us were SCREAMING at them to NOT ADD ETHANOL to the standard bill.  They didn't listen. Corrupt democrats are pandering to voters and pandering to big business to profit from ethanol and they didn't care if it was worse for the enviornment and they didn't care that it would kill people around the globe.

 Now all three candidates for the White House are saying the ethanol bill was a mistake. Duhhhhh!  They were told.  I know it because I wrote all of them.  They didn't care.  The UN was BEGGING nations to stop turning food to fuel. Scientests were coming out against it all over the planet declaring it was bad for the environment.  But the mood of the day was that anything we pass will be "good for global warming".....even if it makes it worse!!!

You want your party to take all the credit for that stupid DEATH BILL?  Well, I'm sorry. But unlike you I am more unbiased.   I blame democrats, I blame republicans, I blame Obama, Hillary, and McCain for pandering to ignorant, radicalized voters who are willing to destroy the world to save us from the "global warming" boogie man.

 
But if you say that bit of stupidity was your party which controls congress.....heck, take a boy, people are dying everywhere and the rain forest is coming down to grow fuel for your gas tank.  To stop your junk science global warming disaster...by creating more global warming greenhouse gases not less.
 

High oil price, Bush's fault
05-10-2008, 9:05 PM | Post #2516608
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Governor, I consider that the oil that is increasing the strategic reserves is more important than you think. About the volume, I read it ca be 70000 barrels a day. This  has a psychological importance. Several interpretations.  "We can increase the oil price more and more, there's no problem, Bush is in our side, notice that he refuses even to stop to buy to increase those strategic reserves, even with that prices. It's a clear sign that he want that the prices increase more and more.  There's no problem if we increase the prices more and more, Mohammed." Couldn't a sheik say this?
Re: High oil price, Bush's fault
05-10-2008, 9:19 PM | Post #2516609
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Continuation of the sheik's conversation: "you must undrstand it, Mohammed, when he ask us to produce more to control the high prices, he is playing for the voters. If he really want lower prices, the first thing he would do would be to stop to increase the strategid reserves. Don't be afraid, Mohammed, we can limit production and increase the price and he will be happy. Don't worry with what Bush says, it's only for his voters's ears."
Re: High oil price, Bush's fault
05-11-2008, 4:00 PM | Post #2516839
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Here's part of a text from wikipedia. You can see that other government had done something to improve the use of natural gas, perhaps Bush didn't and didn't anything else because he want high oil prices. If he didn't veto something from the Congress, it's no reason for pride (probably it's a question to prevent a fight with voters). What action to combat oil prices came from him?

 

Asia

CNG Radio Taxi in New Delhi, India
CNG Radio Taxi in New Delhi, India
One of the many CNG propelled autorickshaws on the streets of New Delhi, Delhi. A fleet of twelve also operates in Brighton, England.
One of the many CNG propelled autorickshaws on the streets of New Delhi, Delhi. A fleet of twelve also operates in Brighton, England.
A CNG powered Volvo B10BLE bus, operated by SBS Transit in Singapore.
A CNG powered Volvo B10BLE bus, operated by SBS Transit in Singapore.

In Asian Economies such as India, CNG costs are at Rupees 18.90(USD $0.46) per kg compared with Rs.50.00 (US$ 1.25) per liter of petrol. The cost saving is immense along with reduced emissions and environmentally friendlier cars.

CNG has grown into one of the major fuel sources used in car engines in Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. The use of CNG is mandated for the public transport system of India's capital New Delhi as well as for the city of Ahmedabad in the state of Gujarat. The Delhi Transport Corporation operates the world's largest fleet of CNG buses. The government of Punjab, Pakistan, the most populous province of that country, has mandated that all public-transport vehicles will use CNG by 2007. Today many rickshaws as well as personal vehicles in India and Bangladesh are being converted to CNG powered technology, the cost of which is in the range of $800-$1000. In the Bangladesh capital of Dhaka not a single auto rickshaw without CNG has been permitted since 2003. As of July 2007 Pakistan is the largest user of CNG in Asia, and second largest user in the world.[5]

According to the International Association for Natural Gas Vehicles, Pakistan has the second-largest number of natural gas vehicles.[5] In the Middle East and Africa, Egypt is a top ten country in the world with more than 63000 CNG vehicles and 95 fueling stations nationwide. Egypt was also the first nation in Africa and the Middle East to open a public CNG fueling station in January 1996.[6]

In Singapore CNG is increasingly being used by public transport vehicles like buses and taxis, as well as goods vehicles. However, according to Channel NewsAsia on April 18, 2008, more owners of private cars in this country are converting their petrol-driven vehicles to also run on CNG - motivated no doubt by fiercely-escalating petrol prices these days.

The initial cost of converting a regular car to bi-fuel at the German conversion workshop of C. Melchers-Galileo, for example, is around S$4,000 (US$2,300); with the promise of real cost-savings bi-fuel cars bring in the long term.

Singapore currently has three operating filling stations for natural gas. SembCorp Gas Pte Ltd runs the station on Jurong Island, and jointly with Singapore Petroleum Company, the filling station at Jalan Buroh. Both these stations are in the western part of the country. Another station on the mainland is in Mandai Link to the north and is operated by SMART Energy. SMART also plans a second station on Serangoon North Ave 5 which will be set up the 2nd half of 2008; so will two more - at Jalan Bukit Merah and Bedok in the central and eastern parts of the country.

As a key incentive for using this eco-friendly fuel Singapore has a Green Vehicle Rebate (GVR) for users of CNG technology. First introduced in January 2001, the GVR grants a 40% discount on the Open Market Value (OMV) cost of newly-registered green passenger vehicles.


 

Re: High oil price, Bush's fault
05-11-2008, 7:16 PM | Post #2516893
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You want to buy and drive a death trap like those you posted above, roberts, fine.

But I and a vast majority of American's don't!!!!

//mjs

Re: High oil price, Bush's fault
05-11-2008, 7:52 PM | Post #2516907
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Mshinko, you wrote:

"But I and a vast majority of American's don't!!"

Wrong question, wrong conclusion.

Does it matter what the vast majority of Americans think? No. It's not necessary and not desirable that the majority of Americans convert their cars to natural gas.  Where would they get all the conversion kits? A minority of 5% would be splendid.  Bush, as president of a country short of oil and full of natural gas, should ask that the people use a bit os natural gas. The most people even doesn't know that a converted car can run with gasoline and natural gas. If Bush was a patriot president, I suppose all the post cars would run without using oil derived products.  Nowadays there's a worlwide shortage of diesel. In the text above you can see that in other locations natural gas is mandatory for buses.

Ethanol Immorality? A few Facts:
05-13-2008, 11:32 AM | Post #2517398
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Actually, any possible immorality of using corn to provide ethanol probably does not apply to sugar cane.  Cane is grown in the field, shipped to the mill, where the sweet juice is extracted by running the stalks through heavy rollers under pressure.   The juice is put through centrifuges where molasses leaks out and is recovered, leaving pure brown sugar.

     The dried, inedible, squeezed-out cane stalks used to be regarded as waste.  Back in the 1950's some sugar co's created a by-products division, using the dry stalks, known in the industry as "bagass",  to produce chemicals to make nylon and artificial rubber.  Today, I understand the emphasis is to use it to produce ethanol.

       So the beauty of using cane rather than corn for ethanol is that with cane you first extract all the food value from the plant and use merely the waste for ethanol... or so I understand
 

Re: Ethanol Immorality? A few Facts:
05-13-2008, 11:55 AM | Post #2517403
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Correct Richard.  Sugar cane is the most efficient way to produce ethanol.  Also, the climate in Brazil makes it much more efficient than corn based ethanol.  Also, it can be grown year round.