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Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
Mr. Purrington 05-16-2008, 4:34 AM | Post #2518404 |  42 Replies
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Israel has a state of the art Army, Air Force, Navy complete with an arsenal of weapons including nuclear devices.

Israel alone defeated several Arab nations in the 7-Days War.

Israel alone bombed and destroyed the suspected nuclear facilities in Iraq.

Israel should be perfectly capable of defending herself against Iran, Syria or any other nation(s) in her neighborhood.

Certainly the United States is an ally of Israel's but like any other sovereign nation Israel should protect herself first before the United States or any other nations sheds its own lifes blood for her.

Thank you

Mr. Purrington

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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
Chang 05-17-2008, 8:07 AM | Post #2518819
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Mark49:
Mr. Purrington:

Israel is more properly a Jewish State rather than a Democracy.

It is often forgotten that "terrorism" was an important component in the founding of Israel.

Irun and the Stern Gang in the 1940's used tactics similar to those used by Hamas and Hezbollah.

Among their more well know attacks are the bombing by Irgun of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on July 22, 1946 and the Deir Yassin massacre (conducted by both Irgun an the Stern Gang on April 9, 1948.

Thank you

Mr. Purrington

 

 

You have left out a few details, Mr. Purrington. Israel was a British protectorate at the time, and Arab bombings and acts of terror were commonplace. Irgun began as a group to defend Israeli settlements from Arab acts of terror. In fact, their policy was one of reprisals, not of initiating violence. When the British approved the MacDonald White Paper in 1939, which severely restricted Jewish immigration and prevented the sale of land to Jews, Irgun began attacking the British. Menachem Begin was a leader of Irgun, and they did commit terrorist acts, but they were a small minority of Jews, and their tactics did not have widespread approval among the Jews. To compare Irgun and Hamas severely distorts reality and history. They are not comparable. The Jews in Palestine did not want to kill the Arabs, they wanted a state of their own and were willing to buy the land. They were prevented, not only from buying land, but could not immigrate from the holocaust in Europe to Palestine. Millions of Jews were being slaughtered in Europe and were not allowed to flee the mass killings. Palestine was never a country, it was a name given to an area of land designated under British control after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, an area of land that had Jewish and Arab history going back to Biblical times. This is why Golda Meir said ":There is no such thing as a Palestinian people." The state of Israel was approved by the UN in response to the holocaust. It would never have gotten support if that had not happened. By the way, Israel's government is a parliamentary democracy and it allows freedom of religion.

Mark  

Mr. P. left out more than a few details.   It's worth noting that Ben Gurion ordered the army to destroy Begin's ship, the Altalena, which was carrying weapons for the Irgun.   This suggests how the early Jewish state struggled with and responded to terrorist elements from within.   Menachem Begin later made peace with Sadat -- two former terrorists turned peacemakers.

Unfortunately, neither Arafat nor his successors are made of the same stuff as Sadat and Begin.   They have all lacked the courage to make peace.   Peace would threaten their personal power, the sustenance of which requires oppression and brutality, restricting access to information and education, and above all, maintaining an enemy to take the blame for every misfortune and misery.

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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
Maxim 05-17-2008, 9:19 AM | Post #2518841
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No one has given a good reason why the US has to protect Israel.

I always thought that it was the Jewish Lobby in the US, that maintained this relation.

Check out the history of the area:  http://www.mapsofwar.com/images/EMPIRE17.swf

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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
EagleTed 05-17-2008, 2:40 PM | Post #2518941
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We protect Israel for the same reason we protect Germany, Italy, France, Australia, Poland, Taiwan, South Korea, etc., etc., etc.

We are the only people powerful enough to protect the trade lanes, democracy, freedom. It's not a role we set out to achieve, it came because our system works better than system ever invented by mankind and because God has blessed us more than any country in history.

With those blessings come responsibilities, whether we like it or not. And rest assured, most us don't like having such an awesome responsibility. 

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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
mshimko 05-18-2008, 4:49 PM | Post #2519277
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Please re-read previous posts, maxim;  there have been several arguments why we SHOULD defend Israel (and I gave one or two previously).

//mjs

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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
Hank 05-18-2008, 8:48 PM | Post #2519353
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Maxim,

I agree with you.  No one has given a good reason why the US should protect Israel. I am concerned about the power of AIPAC has in Washington.  I am also concerned about the numerous Israeli spies that have stolen US secrets. Why should America be loyal to Israel .  They are not loyal to us.

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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
Hank 05-18-2008, 8:59 PM | Post #2519355
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Dear Mark,   Please skip the propoganda . By the way, Israel's governmnet is a parloamentary democracy?.?  When Israel gives the Palestinians the right to return and are allowed to form their own country than I consider Israel to be a true democracy. What you are telling us is forget about the Palestinians they do not exist. You Mark,  are truly prejudice. 
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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
Mark49 05-18-2008, 9:49 PM | Post #2519371
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Hank:
Dear Mark,   Please skip the propoganda . By the way, Israel's governmnet is a parloamentary democracy?.?  When Israel gives the Palestinians the right to return and are allowed to form their own country than I consider Israel to be a true democracy. What you are telling us is forget about the Palestinians they do not exist. You Mark,  are truly prejudice. 

Get a grip, Hank. Hamas doesn't want the right to return to Israel, they want to destroy it. Israel would be insane to let them into their country.

Mark 

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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
Hank 05-18-2008, 10:00 PM | Post #2519378
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Mark.

I was not talking about Hamas. I was talking about the 90% of Palestinians who do not want to destroy Israel.  They just want to be treated as humans. I hope you do not have a problems with taht?   Remember their are some bad apples on all sides.

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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
Hank 05-18-2008, 10:00 PM | Post #2519379
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Mark.

I was not talking about Hamas. I was talking about the 90% of Palestinians who do not want to destroy Israel.  They just want to be treated as humans. I hope you do not have a problems with that ?   Remember their are some bad apples on all sides.

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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
Hank 05-18-2008, 11:13 PM | Post #2519392
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Eagle Ted,  " God has blessed us more than any country in history." ?  I didn't Know God was pro US!  I always thought God believed in the good of all mankind, regardless of what race, religion or country.   With those blessing come"  Awesome resposibility" of controling the world?   Sorry, I can't buy those lines.
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Re: Why does the United States have to defend Israel?
Hank 05-18-2008, 11:23 PM | Post #2519393
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Mark,  I am sorry you also left out a few details. Neither Arafat or Begin's successors have lacked the courage to make peace.  Let's not blame one side only.  Both sides are not willing to come to the table and come up with a peace plan that would be beneficial to all.