phillygoat:

KCallie,

I'm a vanguard customer, I lurk on the vanguard diehards board, occasionally post there.  Unless it became one of those 100+ postings, I don't recall the thread where you started this line of inquiry.  Can you post a link here for us to follow along?

Best,

Phillygoat

I am so turned off by the rudeness of the diehards that I won't be posting there, capice????   I bet I am not the only person who is turned off by them.

Do you think posting "Best" disguises the sarcastic tone of your post?  It doesn't in case you were wondering.

Ditto Norbert

 If we really are All in this Investing game together and we all have about the same objectives? I could care less who recommends what, just as long as it beats the others for the past 8 & 10 yrs...

I Wish it could all be VG's Index Funds or there other funds, but unfortunately, this has been the case..

and just think, what If? There weren't that many AMF's out there to compete?                Like it was in the early days, when it was either VG or Fido?

Competition works..

And it's ok if the Fed privatizes our SS and Puts that $ in Index Funds..which It looks would be better than what we've had all these yrs adn especially if we get to Keep the Principal as well..and pass it onto our Kids and charities...

Can Only hope..

Peace!

"but my request is for a board that is simply about Vanguard funds, not about the Diehards.   And it's not a support group either..."

IMO?

1. I don't think even having a Vanguard Funds  Board would Do it, too many Diehards and VG advocates in gneral would still interveen in there.. ( much like in the other fund family Boards, that have failed , due in part to not abusing Non-compliant fund people )

2. Maybe it's also due to Those Fund families have People that do this?  or Advocates that own those funds, don't want people to own other Competing funds and thus reduce their Values in their Funds? And don't think there aren't ...

3. Support Group? Not.. This is About $ and all bets are off by just about everyone.. Be they Day traders to LT buyers.. Influencing one's investments is the name of the game for alot of them...not to mention to feed their ego's... They Are NOT your Friends , looking out for your best interest..as warned by M* ... Ie: Always be suspect, etc..and do your own Research routine...

If looking For a Support group? suggest you locate one in your community that you can Actually Go participate with, In Person and Actualy Meet those people, then if they give wrong adivce? You can Slap them in the face! or at the least , embarrass them enough to leave the group....LOL

and many of those groups have "plants" in them as well...As reported in an Article a couple of yrs ago...with Insurance backgrounds to Actual Brokerage conections..

"Anytime there is $ invovled? Nothing is Safe or Sacred.. It's whom can steal it and not get caught routine.."  The Cable Guy..

I note the deafening silence from M*.

Don

Morningstar and POPE Mel are   big buddies.

I agree that they should change the  name of the diehards forum to just "VANGUARD FUNDS'. I thought when they started the  Bogleheads forum that  the Morningstar forum would get back to normal, but  the same people still want to run both sites.

I have been invested in Vanguard Funds for  26 years, mostly managed funds and have done quite well with  them.  I like to discuss managed  funds, but I wouldn't dare on  the Diehards or Bogleheads.The people we're talking about should take some lessons from Taylor. He is a real gentlemen and never rude to anyone.

Listen up Morningstar.

Thank you everyone for your feedback. My main hesitation in setting up a new Vanguard forum is that it may not generate enough traffic to stand on its own. Recent posts have shown that a variety of opinions can be expressed on the Vanguard Diehards forum, and that, more specifically, the forum's focus is not just index investing. For example, rpetrocelli has authored many threads with an active-investing focus that have prompted good discussions.

For those occasions when folks get out of hand, I believe flagging the post for moderation is appropriate.  This will allow us to get at the root of the problem and restore civility. In my experience, it isn't the discussion of active versus passive investing that requires moderation, rather it is when people turn to ad hominem attacks to support their argument. If you remove the latter, you are left with some solid discussions that everyone benefits from.

Thanks,

M*_Darrin 

M*_ Darrin

Thanks for your reply. At least we know you are listining and you are probably  right. Would you at least  consider dropping the Diehards name and just call it the  Vanguard Funds..

I know you have a tough job trying satisfy everyone.

The Vanguard Diehards name is a landmark, referred to in print and web.  I wouldn't want to change it for fear of confusing new visitors.

Thanks,

M*_Darrin 

Since I was called out by name in this thread, I'll add a few comments. Courtesy in the manner of posting goes a long way towards facilitating exchange of ideas in an environment that welcomes all posters. We should all (including myself) pause to reflect on how our manner of posting is perceived by others.

I've always viewed the Vanguard Diehards site as a special place. The divisiveness referred to in this thread need not be. I believe it will ultimately destroy that which has been a historic landmark. I've continued to post there in hopes that it would return to its former glory. I sometimes think it will not happen. There's a post tonight that, out of the blue, takes a venomous shot at un-named participants on that board. I honestly don't understand why.

Speaking for myself, I believe all posters are welcome on that board, regardless of investing beliefs. It's the manner of posting that results in issues referred to in this thread. Some there will demand supporting evidence for stated beliefs. And rightly so. After all, the purpose of the forum is to help investors who choose to DIY find their way.

Just some thoughts.

Jerry

For example, rpetrocelli has authored many threads with an active-investing focus that have prompted good discussions.

M*_Darrin,

Bad example. petrocelli has extremely thick skin and is willing to endure attacks from fanatical diehards. He is the exception. [As you already know, he has even been tracked down at his job and one diehard tried to get him fired.]

Most people are not willing to subject themselves to that kind of abuse. I for one will rarely post there anymore and since I am interested only in Vanguard funds, I rarely post anywhere.


 

KCallie

Your problem is already solved. The group you are talking about has left the Diehard Forum. They are now the Boggleheads and have their own  forum. The Diehard forum is getting back like it used to be . You can now discuss all Vanguard funds without someone jumping down your throat. Hope you'll come try it out again. I remember seeing you on the Diehard Forum a lot and hope you'll come back.