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Early Retirement failures...
Gnobility 08-30-2006, 3:58 PM | Post #182328 |  64 Replies
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[i]...Early retirement plans typically fail for three reasons; 1) retiring before you've saved enough money to be financially-independent, 2) inadequate diversification of your retirement assets, and, 3) underestimating your annual living expenses in retirement..."[/i]

Fascinating analysis here:

http://www.retireearlyhomepage.com/rob_failure.html

Gn

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Some "sage advice" from an early retiree
mlebuf 08-30-2006, 6:34 PM | Post #2234954
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Retiring too early comes with more than financial hazards. It can put a heavy strain on a marriage too. As fate would have it, someone sent me this bit of "wise counsel" from a retired consultant named Dave. Read, learn and enjoy. :)

Best wishes,
Michael

Be More Considerate of the Little Woman

Dear friends:

Please be aware that as our wives age, it is harder for them to maintain the same quality of housekeeping as when they were younger. When you notice this, try not to yell at them. Some are over sensitive and there is nothing worse than an over sensitive woman. My name is Dave. Let me relate how I handled the situation with my wife, Martha. When I was laid off from my consulting job and took early retirement in April, it became necessary for Martha to get a full-time job, both for extra income and for the health insurance benefits we needed.

Shortly after she started working, I noticed she was beginning to show her age. I usually get home from the golf course about the same time she gets home from work, and although she knows how hungry I am, she rests an hour or so before she starts dinner. I don't yell at her. Instead, I tell her to take her time and just wake me when she gets dinner on the table. I generally have lunch in the Men's Grill at the club, so eating out is not reasonable. I'm ready for some home-cooked grub when I hit that door.

She used to do the dishes as soon as we finished eating. But now, it's not unusual for them to sit on the table for several hours after dinner. I do what I can by diplomatically reminding her several times each evening that they won't clean themselves. I know she appreciates this, as it does seem to motivate her to get them done before she goes to bed. I really think my old business as a consultant helps a lot. Telling people what they ought to do is one of my strong points. Also, now that she has gotten older, she does seem to get tired so much more quickly. Our washer and dryer are in the basement, and sometimes she says she just can't make another trip down those steps. I don't make a big issue of this, just as long as she finishes up the laundry the next evening. I'm willing to overlook her shortcomings in this area.

Unless I need something ironed to wear to the Monday lodge meeting, or to the Wednesday and Saturday poker club, or to Tuesday's and Thursday's bowling, I'll tell her to wait until the next evening to do the ironing. This gives her a little more time to do some of those odds and ends like shampooing the dog, vacuuming or dusting. If I had a really bad day on the course and it was wet and muddy, and my clubs are a mess, I let her clean them, you know, getting the grit off the grips and a little light Brillo on the club faces. Since my golf bag is heavy, I lift it out of the trunk for her. Women are delicate, have weak wrists and can't lift heavy stuff as good as men. But I had to tell her that I don't like to be wakened during my after-golf nap, so rather than bother me, she can put them back in the trunk when she's finished.

Another symptom of aging is complaining, I think. For example, she will say that it is difficult for her to find time to pay the monthly bills during her lunch hour. But boys, we take' em for better or worse, so I just smile and offer encouragement. I tell her to stretch it out over two or even three days. That way she won't have to rush so much. I also remind her that missing lunch completely now and then wouldn't hurt her any (if you know what I mean). I like to think tact is one of my strong points.

When doing simple jobs, she seems to think she needs more rest periods. She had to take a break when she was only half finished mowing the yard. I try not to make a scene. I'm a fair man. I tell her to fix herself a nice, big, cold glass of fresh squeezed lemonade and just sit for a while. And, as long as she is making one for herself, she may as well make one for me too, then take her break by my hammock. That way we can talk until I fall asleep. I know that I probably look like a saint in the way I support Martha, but I'm not saying that showing this much consideration is easy.

Many men will find it difficult, some will find it impossible! Nobody knows better than I do, how frustrating women get as they get older. However, guys, even if you just use a little more tact and less criticism of your aging wife because of this letter, I will consider that writing it was well worthwhile. After all, we are put on this earth to help each other.

Regards, Dave

EDITOR'S NOTE: Dave died suddenly. He was found with a Calloway extra long 50-inch Big Bertha Golf Driver rammed up his rear end with only two inches of grip showing. His wife Martha was arrested, but after the jury read this letter, they accepted her defense that he accidentally sat on it. She was released from custody on Friday.


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Funny!
JohnYaker 08-30-2006, 6:49 PM | Post #2234964
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Mlebuf, that story was great! Interpersonal relations should rank up near the top of the list of what it takes to have a successful retirement.

As far as John Greaney's article referenced in the orignal post, I found it cruelly mean-spirited.

John

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Gregory 08-30-2006, 6:58 PM | Post #2234970
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You're right, the article about Rob is very mean-spirited. It's too bad the author feels the need to do this sort of thing.

Greg

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BrooklynBound 08-30-2006, 7:20 PM | Post #2234980
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Sometimes the truth hurts.

In my opinion, it's too bad the father feels the need to do this sort of thing to his family.

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I once saw an early retiree hat that read
El Toro II 08-30-2006, 7:30 PM | Post #2234985
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"Twice as much husband & half as much money"

Best wishes for safe & prosperous times!

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Thank you
pkcrafter 08-30-2006, 7:50 PM | Post #2234995
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Gn, thanks for that link. I can't say much about Greaney or the guy he discusses.

Michael, thanks for sharing Dave's story. He was tireless in his efforts to help out his wife. We can all learn from this.

Paul

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I retired as soon as I could
radioman 08-30-2006, 8:32 PM | Post #2235015
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(age 55) from a job I greatly disliked. I stayed because the money was good and my services and experience were in demand. I saved, invested and looked to the future. My company, on the other hand, was headed by an ever-changing cast of mostly incompetents that I had to deal with. They came and went; I stayed and saved. The company was profitable in spite of itself.

A new boy or girl wonder would arrive and almost immediately announce some new plan that I, with my years of service, knew wouldn't work as outlined. My suggestions usually went unheeded. The idea would fail, I would go on with my job, the "wonder" would leave after a few years to inflict damage on some other hapless organization and the cycle would repeat itself. In thirty five years I saw seventy three (that's right, seventy three) heads of divisions come and go. I kept track. It was crazy.

Retired for seven years now, I can say absolutely it was a great decision. Several decades of saving and planning have paid off with a solid financial present and future. We diversified our holdings in the diehard fashion and included commercial real estate in our portfolio.

I read stories of people who are happy with their jobs but many have or had unstatisfying jobs for various reasons. Magazines and other media don't do stories about them for obvious reasons. Nobody is going to say in print, "I hate my job and my boss is a jerk".

My wife and I fill our days with both mutual and individual interests at home, with family, traveling and volunteering. We hoped that this part of our lives would be good but it's even better than we dared wish. We realize we will face issues of health, etc. as these things are inevitable but for now we're enjoying every minute.

When, how and if to retire are determined solely by individual circumstances.

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What a kick in the crotch!
OUJohnNasr 08-30-2006, 8:37 PM | Post #2235020
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That link is mean-spirited, hateful, degrading, but above all, it's true.

Rob, if you are reading this, please do the right thing and get back in the work force. Leaving a $100,000+ a year job at the age of 43 was financial suicide considering the size of your nest egg. According to the link, this was in 1996 and some of the ten best years of your earnings life have already past. During this time period you could have been promoted to more senior level manager positions, vice-president posts, etc. You could have had a million dollar nest egg if you would have worked for 10 more years, saved $25,000 a year and earned 7% a year. Don't forget, that an asset allocation of 50/50 between 96-06 would have allowed you to gain an tremendous amount in what ended up being one of the greatest bull markets.

There's also the possibility that your salary would have grown by at least 4% a year while your 401(k) contributions would have been matched by Ernst & Young's generous 401(k) match.

You can still save the ship from sinking, but you're running out of time. From that link, it appears that you only have about $300,000 left. Let's assume that both of your boys go to a state college and that runs them $10,000 a year plus living expenses. How are you going to be able to support them? Will they have to borrow massive amounts to pay for school? What about leaving a legacy to your wife and kids when you're gone? Is anything going to be left in 10 years, let alone at the time of your death?

You can still be an author, although not in your current state. You need to get your butt back in the work force (even if it's only at 60-75% of what you were making in '96) and start your financial life over again. The way I see it, you have another book coming out and it's going to be about one of two things. How you failed in retirement or how you initially failed in early retirement, got back on your feet, and turned things around.

If you had just kept an allocation of 50/50 or even 40/60 ten years ago while saving hard, you would be a millionaire at this point. Instead, people are writing mean things about you on the internet.

Please, do the right thing for your family. They'll appreciate you for it.

Best Wishes,

John

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True or not.....
JohnYaker 08-30-2006, 8:45 PM | Post #2235026
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True or not, using a real person's name in an article of the kind Mr. Greaney wrote seems mean-spirited. The article says more about the character of the author than the subject. Reminds me of schoolyard bullying. I recommend a rewrite, removing the name used as an example, as it only serves as a distraction in the articele.

John

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hmmm
earnabuck 08-30-2006, 9:09 PM | Post #2235041